Ravers Manifesto

Ravers Manifesto - via spraci Brisbane message boards

this was a thread on spraci in 2002. I'd left Brisbane by this stage but was still posting there.

I didn't write the Ravers Manifesto but I like to read it now and then and it seems to turn up on various mail lists every now and then. caused a bit of a stir on the board though!

http://www.spraci.com/cgi-bin/boards.cgi?area=brisbane&task=show&id=4745...

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ravers manifesto

Posted by AliaK on Thursday, 1st August 2002 10:33 PM
203.51.4.154

haven't seen this one doing the rounds for a while, but thought some of you might like to read it again..

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Our emotional state of choice is Ecstasy. Our nourishment of choice
is Love. Our addiction of choice is technology. Our religion of
choice is music. Our currency of choice is knowledge. Our politics of
choice is none. Our society of choice is utopian though we know it
will never be.

You may hate us. You may dismiss us. You may misunderstand us. You
may be unaware of our existence. We can only hope you do not care to
judge us, because we would never judge you. We are not criminals. We
are not disillusioned. We are not drug addicts. We are not naive
children. We are one massive, global, tribal village that transcends
man-made law, physical geography, and time itself. We are The
Massive. One Massive.

We were first drawn by the sound. From far away, the thunderous,
muffled, echoing beat was comparable to a mother's heart soothing a
child in her womb of concrete, steel, and electrical wiring. We were
drawn back into this womb, and there, in the heat, dampness, and
darkness of it, we came to accept that we are all equal. Not only to
the darkness, and to ourselves, but to the very music slamming into
us and passing through our souls: we are all equal. And somewhere
around 35Hz we could feel the hand of God at our backs, pushing us
forward, pushing us to push ourselves to strengthen our minds, our
bodies, and our spirits. Pushing us to turn to the person beside us
to join hands and uplift them by sharing the uncontrollable joy we
felt from creating this magical bubble that can, for one evening,
protect us from the horrors, atrocities, and pollution of the outside
world. It is in that very instant, with these initial realizations
that each of us was truly born.

We continue to pack our bodies into clubs, or warehouses, or
buildings you've abandoned and left for naught, and we bring life to
them for one night. Strong, throbbing, vibrant life in it's purest,
most intense, most hedonistic form. In these makeshift spaces, we
seek to shed ourselves of the burden of uncertainty for a future you
have been unable to stabilize and secure for us. We seek to
relinquish our inhibitions, and free ourselves from the shackles and
restraints you've put on us for your own peace of mind. We seek to re-
write the programming that you have tried to indoctrinate us with
since the moment we were born. Programming that tells us to hate,
that tells us to judge, that tells us to stuff ourselves into the
nearest and most convenient pigeon hole possible. Programming that
even tells us to climb ladders for you, jump through hoops, and run
through mazes and on hamster wheels. Programming that tells us to eat
from the shiny silver spoon you are trying to feed us with, instead
of nourish ourselves with our own capable hands. Programming that
tells us to close our minds, instead of open them.

Until the sun rises to burn our eyes by revealing the distopian
reality of a world you've created for us, we dance fiercely with our
brothers and sisters in celebration of our life, of our culture, and
of the values we believe in: Peace, Love, Freedom, Tolerance, Unity,
Harmony, Expression, Responsibility and Respect.

Our enemy of choice is ignorance. Our weapon of choice is
information. Our crime of choice is breaking and challenging whatever
laws you feel you need to put in place to stop us from celebrating
our existence. But know that while you may shut down any given party,
on any given night, in any given city, in any given country or
continent on this beautiful planet, you can never shut down the
entire party. You don't have access to that switch, no matter what
you may think. The music will never stop. The heartbeat will never
fade. The party will never end.

I am a raver, and this is my manifesto.

Raver X

Responses

* Re: ravers manifesto
crakarman -- Thursday, 1st August 2002 10:49 PM
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Custa -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 2:40 AM
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crakarman -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 9:57 AM
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theoryz -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:27 AM
# Re: ravers manifesto - Hey Crakarman keep up the hard work....
Bren -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 11:25 AM
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Custa -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 5:17 PM
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theoryz -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:22 AM
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DIPSOMANIA -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 3:11 AM
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AliaK -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 12:57 PM
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John Waters -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 2:30 AM
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masta -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:27 AM
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Custa -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 5:23 PM
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masta -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 9:31 PM
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AliaK -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:07 PM
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Custa -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 11:33 PM
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Bren -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:55 AM
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masta -- Saturday, 3rd August 2002 3:15 AM
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erther -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 11:28 AM
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hippydribble -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 1:01 PM
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Tracie -- Friday, 2nd August 2002 11:58 PM
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lenny -- Sunday, 4th August 2002 12:28 AM
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Trance Wizard -- Sunday, 4th August 2002 1:45 PM
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DEFUSE DNS -- Sunday, 4th August 2002 1:57 PM
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s8n -- Thursday, 8th August 2002 4:19 PM
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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by crakarman on Thursday, 1st August 2002 10:49 PM
202.67.64.136

That is the biggest load of Fairy ASS BURGLING shit i have ever read.I cant believe you actually believe that. F#ck mate give up the fairy pills........and i thought i'd lost it....jesus christ mate!!!!!!

Its gotta be a joke right??????? ha ha please..............

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by Custa on Friday, 2nd August 2002 2:40 AM
202.138.47.208

Funny how you just slammed something put up here by somebody that has done more for the electronic music scene in the past that you will EVER do. The way you carry on on here I seriously think you need to go get some professional help craka. Rarely a positive thing to say and certainly very little to add constructively to the whole dance scene.

Mabe you should read it again and take at least a little bit out of it and apply to your own life. You might not use it all in your life but it certainly would not hurt to use some of it.

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by crakarman on Friday, 2nd August 2002 9:57 AM
202.67.64.149

Ummmm! I've done shit loads for the Dance scene. Iwas doin shit for f#king years mate. Most of the time without being paid. In fact back then you were lucky to get paid. We did it because we loved it. You honestly do not have any idea. The party scene has been around for more than your little 1 or 2 year stint. Your just a fresh cut mate!

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by theoryz on Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:27 AM
203.51.233.170

crakarman, seeing as you've been doing "shit loads for the Dance scene" and it has obviously been hard for you to get paid (sweeping, door bitch etc)
then why don't you take some loooooong service leave, the dance scene will get along fine without you....
Z

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Re: ravers manifesto - Hey Crakarman keep up the hard work....

Posted by Bren on Friday, 2nd August 2002 11:25 AM
198.142.19.93

>>>> I've done shit loads for the Dance scene. Iwas doin shit for f#king years mate. Most of the time without being paid. In fact back then you were lucky to get paid. We did it because we loved it.

Crakarman, weren't you the one keen on bending over and nodding a post or so ago. Is that the unpaid work you refer to ??? Suppose that is the part of er, 'a' scene and it DOES have 'dance music'. Upstairs at the Beat I guess but still a 'part of the dance scene' and who is anybody to point the finger at alternative lifestyle and by your own assertion you have been into it for along time and working hard without being paid and that is to be admired.

Great to have you onboard Crakarman !!! Keep up the hard work !!

Bren

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by Custa on Friday, 2nd August 2002 5:17 PM
202.138.47.248

Jeez one ever happened to the other 8-9+ years of mine you seem to have forgotten to put into 1-2 equation for me. I certainly don't claim to have been there from the start but I been doing it for > a decade now and Aliak was in it all way before me too sunshine. Where did the pay thing come into it??? I started helping put parties on in '93 of which I never saw a cent, and 70% of the time neither did the guy I was helping regulIarilly losing $$$ till he stopped doing em in 2000, of which time I have started to put on parties myself. I still would say that Aliak has done more for the scene than probably you and me put together, so pull your head in and actually take some notice of what people say as apposed to your current attitude.

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by theoryz on Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:22 AM
203.51.233.170

maybe it's better that something requiring a bit of personal exploration totally misses the likes of JATZman... world might
just end up being a better place......

Continue to Cus ta
Z

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by DIPSOMANIA on Friday, 2nd August 2002 3:11 AM
210.50.60.32

Face it Crackar you sound like you miss certain enhancements, beer is a drug to do you know? check the side effects???

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by AliaK on Friday, 2nd August 2002 12:57 PM
203.13.126.19

hey Crakarman,

actually, I've never really called myself a raver but I remember reading that manifesto years ago when everything was new and shiny and it put into words some of the feelings I had at the time. to tell you the truth, at this point in my life it does sound a bit over the top and idealistic & sounds like it was written by a very luvved-up (as they say) person ;), but there are sections of it which are things I believe in. I guess I've become jaded over the years and cynicism has started too creep in, but when I saw it again on a mail list I remembered the feelings I used to have and it felt nice to step back when things were different and simple, so I thought maybe some others would like to have a read as well. I'm sure there are many people who don't follow some of these principles or are not even interested in considering them but it's nice to know someone did put some thought into it at one stage don't you think?

"Our addiction of choice is technology. Our religion of
choice is music. Our currency of choice is knowledge. Our politics of
choice is none. Our society of choice is utopian though we know it
will never be. "

I do tend to live in a utopian world of my own and the parts about technology and knowledge are things that I follow and am interested in.
politics of choice is none is a little unusual because some of the most politically active people I know are those who follow the electronic beat and it is entwined into the way they spread their messages.

"We were first drawn by the sound" - this is true for me, and I think I'll be sad if the electronic sound ever loses it's magic for me.

"We seek to re-write the programming that you have tried to indoctrinate us with since the moment we were born. Programming that tells us to hate, that tells us to judge, that tells us to stuff ourselves into the nearest and most convenient pigeon hole possible. Programming that even tells us to climb ladders for you, jump through hoops, and run through mazes and on hamster wheels. Programming that tells us to eat from the shiny silver spoon you are trying to feed us with, instead of nourish ourselves with our own capable hands. Programming that tells us to close our minds, instead of open them. "

this part I would like to think I follow, in that I try not to judge people and try and find out why they do & say the things they do. I also try to look after myself for myself and try to keep an open mind about things.

of course there are other philosophies that I follow which were not mentioned in this piece, but I like to read it for the feeling it gives me. and actually I'd prefer to read messages of discussion/debate on a topic on this board, especially if related to music in some way, rather than some of the messages which have been popping up lately so I thought it might prompt some discussion.

thanks for your point of view! :)
Kath

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by John Waters on Friday, 2nd August 2002 2:30 AM
210.50.60.32

Thanks for the post, cool to have some thought in the place. I think clarity is good in such a 'mixed- up - pun intended' WORLD!!!!!!!!!
good on you!

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by masta on Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:27 AM

> Our emotional state of choice is Ecstasy
Proof again that the essential element of a rave is drugs.

Custa, wheres the love? By the sounds of ur post u do not agree with the concepts within the 'Ravers Manifesto'

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by Custa on Friday, 2nd August 2002 5:23 PM
202.138.47.248

Rather ignorant still aren't ya. It says emotional state called ecstacy which you seem to be confusding with the drug MDMA. You do know how to distinguish the two don't you.....maybe too much of the later and not enough of the former????

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by masta on Friday, 2nd August 2002 9:31 PM
203.45.216.117

> Rather ignorant still aren't ya. It says emotional state called
> ecstacy which you seem to be confusding with the drug MDMA.

Ill ignore the personal attack - pun intented

I doubt u or anybody who has had anything to do with a rave seriously believe what u have said custa. But if u seriously (and i mean seriously!!) think that drugs arnt a major part of rave culture then i would like to know what raves u have been to in your many years of service.

If u do beleive on what u have said dont u at least think that her choice of the word 'ecstasty' is at least a little suspicious ?

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by AliaK on Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:07 PM
203.51.4.154

oh, u think I wrote the ravers manifesto? no, no! it's been around for years.. written by 'Raver X' the unknown (collective?) raver..I jsut saw it on one of the mail lists again the other night.. sorry maybe I didn't make that clear..

Kath

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by Custa on Friday, 2nd August 2002 11:33 PM
202.138.47.171

Not denying the prevalence of the drugs at raves, far from it, they are everywhere...but they are not the most important part either. Drugs are everywhere. It has been quite amusing up here in Toowoomba over the past 12 months or so the number of people I see out and about gurning off their heads and they are not the raver types....they are the footy jock nugget types. it's actually quite outta control up here now from my observations. Drugs are not a rave problem, they are a society problem.

I don't see that manifesto as a soap box for advocating the use of drugs but more of an outlook on life. While I might not believe in all parts of it, Some of it I do and I choose to take that away from it. I certainly don't take away that first line and think "oh wanna be a raver....gotta drop them pills". But I do take from it the feelings I can get get when I put on a tune around home and just get taken away by the music, or playing a tune I just love out and seeing a great reaction from people who seem to like it as much as I do. Whether they on gear or not I not really care because the feeling I have for the music are there all the time.

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by masta on Saturday, 3rd August 2002 3:08 AM

youre absoloutly right in that its a society issue but u probally do know what im getting at....

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by Bren on Friday, 2nd August 2002 10:55 AM
211.28.144.52

Thanks for that Kath. Don't be discouraged from posting bits and pieces you come across just cause we are knee deep in tossers on this board.

Bren

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by masta on Saturday, 3rd August 2002 3:15 AM
203.45.216.117

Kath,

We have a lot of synical, critical people here at spraci, so nething that is posted we say will be shit. even if its not.

eg
> just cause we are knee deep in tossers on
shit post bren ;)

dont reply bren, u know we all love you around here.

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by erther on Friday, 2nd August 2002 11:28 AM
210.49.58.122

AliaK rocks harder than all of us put together.

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by hippydribble on Friday, 2nd August 2002 1:01 PM
203.51.199.143

still no excuse for posting up hippy dribble.

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by hippydribbleiscool on Friday, 2nd August 2002 2:41 PM
130.132.19.205

I love hippy dribble! Especially the way your hippy mom used to spread her 'free love' around... plenty of dribble there.

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by Tracie on Friday, 2nd August 2002 11:58 PM
210.49.102.213

Kath, just wanted to say thanks so much for sharing the Ravers Manifesto. I don't care what anybody has to say about it. For me personally it describes so many of the wonderful feelings I have about this scene. It was actually bizarre to see them written down. I didn't think you could describe them, but somebody has succeeded. It brought a tear to my eye! So thanks for that - it was awesome.

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by lenny on Sunday, 4th August 2002 12:28 AM
202.129.95.21

craka is a kook...

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by Trance Wizard on Sunday, 4th August 2002 1:45 PM
139.86.2.11

The ravers manifesto echos somewhat to the Hacker Manifesto introduced by hackers of the 80's (correct me if I am wrong, first time I heard it was early 1995).

Though I don't claim to be anything more then I am, I feel a melt with the manifesto, and would say it reflects my attitude.

Actions speak louder then words, if you want announce anything to the world, maybe you have to back it up with the truth?

Perhaps one should not be judged by their claims, credentials and words, rather by their actions, attitude and disposition???

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by DEFUSE DNS on Sunday, 4th August 2002 1:57 PM
210.50.61.171

Crakar may put things in his own way - but 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' my man and he has done his bit, right down to AEROSPORTS WITH LOOSE LACE in the MID 1980S - I don't agree with how he has 'put' some things, but well....

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Re: ravers manifesto

Posted by s8n on Thursday, 8th August 2002 4:19 PM
130.102.42.96

its all a bunch of hippy dribble -yeah for sure they all love each other on a saturday night but what about the next 1-3 days when they are comin down and cant make eye contact with another human let alone use information as their currency -what a load of shit -please live in the now

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Re:manifesto's always create resistance

Posted by T*T on Thursday, 15th August 2002 11:41 AM
202.7.194.10

I have to say A_K. soo worth posting. Unfortunately no great surprises that you got the spraci response that you did.

You see, it is only some people in this 'scence' (such a dodgy, somewhat insulting description) that have that seed inside them that can only be grown by the sweet beats that emenate from these houses of fantasy. And O.K., yeah, it is fantasy for every single one of the hours spent in this world. >But it doesn't matter where you are or what you're doing after you've munched a bunch of brain altering chemicals, it's all going to be fantasy :-0
But some of us stepped into this scene unwired, (i happen to not be one of them) and some of us (choose to) step into it on a regular unaddicted basis and melt into this delicious atmosphere as clean as Jesus's heart. (One of which I happen to be) >I love techno, I love ravers and I love the world that's created for ravers to play in. But I know it's not real. I also know it's generally completely misunderstood and jugded by those outside of it. Raves for me are just that, rave and play time. I don't take drugs cause i don't want or need to and I don't pretend that it (rave scene) has any relevance to the information, currency, opinions etc, etc, etc, etc, I have -and those who do are just as addicted to something to make up who they are as anyone else.
I must say though that there are kabillions more destructive atmospheres to be in the that of a rave. >Enjoy it, just don't kid yourselves that it's reality - cause in two days everything will be just as it was when you dissappered into that fluffy world of sensory overload........;-)>)

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